Short Extra Owing to fatigue, visit to Doctor , shopping etc. too tired to post a long post today after the pre pared one this morning. Have more time tomorrow.
Quiz and Party. Excellent answer from Londiniensis. He wins the order of Mildew Merit for answering the quiz. I did not know the origin lay with Kipling either ! As to the party, I now foresee that the 21st will attract more people. I think I have Dilly Day Dream, Londiniensis, Clare A, Delia and probably John the Organists wife for certain. More later. still time to join the fun.
Note. On the programme the other night McC claimed the Eastern churches broke away from the Catholic Church after Chalcedon in 452. In fact the Easterns accepted Papal legates at councils up to the time of Photius a few centuries later. Some of the smaller blocs like the Armenians and the Coptics broke away though after Chalcedon. More on him tomorrow.
Tuesday, 10 November 2009
Dr McCullough plus some humour
Dr McCullough . Further information. You can get an idea of him by dialling up his name on Google. He is currently an Anglican Deacon. He did not go forward to the priesthood because he is a homosexual and considered it in appropriate to do so. He is also a member of the noted "Gay and Christian Caucus". His views on Catholicism I have dealt with. Now what about the earliest Church where McC claims there were at least 3 churches going right from the start all independant of each other until the Roman church starting interfering as soon as Constantine came to power. The Apostles as we know travelled widely, St Thomas to India, St.James to Spain, others to what is now France and Germany, also Egype. St.. Paul concentrated on Asia Minor (Turkey) and Greece. Certainly we know that by the end of the first century, some Bishoprics were claiming an early form of patriarchal status. Notably say, Antioch, Alexandria, Athens and Rome itself. It is not true to say that Rome had no contact with these outposts. The difference between those early patriarchates concerned mainly the form of their liturgies although we do concede they did consider themselves at times equal to Rome. There were plenty of small heresies before old Ari (as we called him at the Seminary) (Arius) spread his false teaching around. Certainly between Nicea in 325 and Chalcedon in 452 there was constant turmoil. (As mentioned earlier Dr.McC left out the council of Ephesus which proclaimed Mary as the mother of God, and so far he has said nothing about the hundreds of martyrs of the persecution. The next installment on Thursday will deal I hear, mainly on Rome and take the history probably up to the fall of Constantinople. Now there are big problems in that area, like the Crusades and the start of the Spanish Inquisition. We can guess what line McC will take on them ! I am looking at the Nestorian, Coptic and Eastern Churches at the moment and might be in a position to say something late on tomorrow, when of course there will be plenty more on the other blogs about the Anglican reunion.
Quiz. I await some answers to appear on the blog.
Humour. Tastes change even in simple jokes. I found that 3 simple jokes , the first I ever remember as a Child had more or less disappeared from the modern child'sknowledge.
When is a Door not a door ? When it's a jar.
Why couldn't the viper wipe her nose ?
Because the Adder ad her hankie.
(I have forgotton the other one myself now !) Here is a later one.
A Chinese Restaurant owner killed himself with an axe.....Verdict
Chop Sueycide.
Quiz. I await some answers to appear on the blog.
Humour. Tastes change even in simple jokes. I found that 3 simple jokes , the first I ever remember as a Child had more or less disappeared from the modern child'sknowledge.
When is a Door not a door ? When it's a jar.
Why couldn't the viper wipe her nose ?
Because the Adder ad her hankie.
(I have forgotton the other one myself now !) Here is a later one.
A Chinese Restaurant owner killed himself with an axe.....Verdict
Chop Sueycide.
Monday, 9 November 2009
Many matters.
Many Matters
ADDENDUM to previous post. I have just heard that Fr Ray Blake at St.Mary Magdalens has also posted the entire document together with a commentary by an eminent theologian in Rome
Christmas bloggers meet. I should like to fix this date up soon. Dec 21st looks best but I have not yet had the date confirmed by Londiniensis and Delia has only just returned from a break , so I ask these two and any others to state which date (18th to 22nd) not Sat or Sun though. December. Usual terms. I pay for the dessert courses for all. (if not bankrupt by then)
Important new Book. Just heard on the radio this morning of a new book on Jewish History by one Schomo Sandys. He says controversially that at the time of the Roman Destruction of Jerusalem, not all Jews were expelled, only the important ones. (Just like the first exile to Babylon when only the important Jews had to go to Babylon). This generation then died out as they then had no leadership and intermarried freely. Even more controversially he claims that at least after the first exile, if not earlier, there were several separate Jewish Empires in areas as diverse as Africa and Russia (the Kassacks).Again controversially he says that the present inhabitants of Palestine both Jews and arabs were probably all Jewish at least on one line which a DNA test would reveal,, so he argues theyshould not be squabbling !
New Quiz Here is something to get your teeth into. This is an actual question from round Britain Quiz. The question is "How do the following items lead you to discover the investigative Journalists Vade Mecum (ie the guide to how they should go about their investigations).
a) A river on the borders of England and Wales
b) A late 18th century Scottish Engineer
c) A town in Hertfordshire (clue) noted for its important Catholic school, formerly Seminary)
d) A minister who betrayed his Prime Minister (clue) 20th century latish.
e) An old sarcastic title for London (clue...means something unpleasant like warts)
f) The name of an old Kentish Hundred (clue.. a Hundred is a division of a county which is not usuallyused today. In this instance the Hundred was in North Kent by Isle of Grain).
I wanted to put more on but it is too late before Mass and supper and I will be too tired after that. Next post therefore Tomorrow morning.
ADDENDUM to previous post. I have just heard that Fr Ray Blake at St.Mary Magdalens has also posted the entire document together with a commentary by an eminent theologian in Rome
Christmas bloggers meet. I should like to fix this date up soon. Dec 21st looks best but I have not yet had the date confirmed by Londiniensis and Delia has only just returned from a break , so I ask these two and any others to state which date (18th to 22nd) not Sat or Sun though. December. Usual terms. I pay for the dessert courses for all. (if not bankrupt by then)
Important new Book. Just heard on the radio this morning of a new book on Jewish History by one Schomo Sandys. He says controversially that at the time of the Roman Destruction of Jerusalem, not all Jews were expelled, only the important ones. (Just like the first exile to Babylon when only the important Jews had to go to Babylon). This generation then died out as they then had no leadership and intermarried freely. Even more controversially he claims that at least after the first exile, if not earlier, there were several separate Jewish Empires in areas as diverse as Africa and Russia (the Kassacks).Again controversially he says that the present inhabitants of Palestine both Jews and arabs were probably all Jewish at least on one line which a DNA test would reveal,, so he argues theyshould not be squabbling !
New Quiz Here is something to get your teeth into. This is an actual question from round Britain Quiz. The question is "How do the following items lead you to discover the investigative Journalists Vade Mecum (ie the guide to how they should go about their investigations).
a) A river on the borders of England and Wales
b) A late 18th century Scottish Engineer
c) A town in Hertfordshire (clue) noted for its important Catholic school, formerly Seminary)
d) A minister who betrayed his Prime Minister (clue) 20th century latish.
e) An old sarcastic title for London (clue...means something unpleasant like warts)
f) The name of an old Kentish Hundred (clue.. a Hundred is a division of a county which is not usuallyused today. In this instance the Hundred was in North Kent by Isle of Grain).
I wanted to put more on but it is too late before Mass and supper and I will be too tired after that. Next post therefore Tomorrow morning.
Anglican reunion details published in full
Anglican Reunion details. The full details have now been published and can be read on Damian Thompson's blog.(see link) They are very generous indeed but somewhat complicated because it is not always clear whether the Ordinary he is talking about is the new ordinary of the new ordinariate or the ordinary of the diocese where the group wants to join up. I am sure this will be clarified and more details will surely appear on other blogs. I note with amusement that the first comments were from our old friend Lofty who points out that none of this would be possible had it not been for Vat 2 and the introduction of English into the Liturgy. I a gree with OTSOA that this and a subsequent remark by dearest Basil L . are in effect not true at all.
The news is highly important and will take a while to absorb. Meanwhile after tea I shall write more on what I acheived at the Catholic Nation Library. (Very hungry..only a sandwich for lunch). Back later this afternoon for post no 3 today !
The news is highly important and will take a while to absorb. Meanwhile after tea I shall write more on what I acheived at the Catholic Nation Library. (Very hungry..only a sandwich for lunch). Back later this afternoon for post no 3 today !
Early post Monday. (another later on)
Early bird. As I am off today to the Catholic National Library at Farnborough I will not post the main post until late afternoon. I am researching early Church History and Contraception today as indicated earlier. However I wonder if you managed to listen to a programme about a little known 2nd world war poet, John Gillespie McGee? He was only 21 or so when he was killed when his Spitfire crashed but he composed a wonderful poem entitled High Flight best known in America and in the RAF circles. To get to it , put in "John McGee,Poet" on Google and the first site is Wikepedia entry and click this site to find out all about him and read 3 poems including High Flight He was much influenced by Rupert Brooke and wrote a sonnet on his death, and the poems do contain direct references to other works but this poem is terrific. I thought at once that Gerald Manley Hopkins could have written it if he had been around. Try it, you will be moved I hope.
Sunday, 8 November 2009
More on Dr . McCulloch
Dr Mc Culloch. His programme the other night was fascinating but as I indicated represented only his only opinion on understanding known facts. In part one he really started with the lead up to the Council of Nicea which condemned Arius (denied the divinity of Jesus). We remember that this was just after Constantintine had come to power. I think Dr.McC was wrong in saying that before that time there had been no heresies dealing with the problem of the person of Christ. There were heresies and brake away movements from the very beginning of course.
McC reckons that up to 3 separate churches emerged following the initial spread of the Gospel and that these branches later became the Catholic Western Church, the Orthodox Church and the Coptic Church. According to McC the Papacy did not emerge as the dominant force until the end of persecutions in 312. That of course I would dispute anyway. McC moved rather too quickly to the council of Chalcedon (Istanbul) in 450. He left out the build up to the council of Ephesus in 363 which reaffirmed Mary as the mother of God and therefore Christ was truly Divine. He seemed to imply that the Western Church had ruled the roost in a temporal sense using force to enforce its wishes by always invoking the power of the Emperors (East and West).
Thus he clearly glosses over the trouble that particularly St.John Chrysostom had and the persecution under Julian the Apostate. At Chalcedon the problem was how the Divine and Human natures could be found in Christ. Nestorius took up a position which the Pope and the Western Church found unacceptable. The Coptic wing accepted Nestorius and the existing Coptic church which owed its origin in liturgy to the Syriac tradition. It should be pointed out that the liturgies employed by the Western, the (what became the orthodox) and the Syriac were different but all had the essentials for a true Mass. McC also said that Chalcedon marks the beginning of the Orthodox Church as independant of Rome. I think this was later. What was interesting was to learn that in 7th century, Christianity had spread to China but was virtually extinct owing to persecution by the 9th or 10th centuries and one had to wait to the 16th cent. for its re introduction. More on this tomorrow,
Note. Thank you again for your comments encouraging me to stay blogging. I am beginning to think that with all the encouragement I may well continue, but not so acerbic. Any way I go on this week to build up the readership again and even leave a couple of posts for the time when I am away by means of advance pre pared postings.
McC reckons that up to 3 separate churches emerged following the initial spread of the Gospel and that these branches later became the Catholic Western Church, the Orthodox Church and the Coptic Church. According to McC the Papacy did not emerge as the dominant force until the end of persecutions in 312. That of course I would dispute anyway. McC moved rather too quickly to the council of Chalcedon (Istanbul) in 450. He left out the build up to the council of Ephesus in 363 which reaffirmed Mary as the mother of God and therefore Christ was truly Divine. He seemed to imply that the Western Church had ruled the roost in a temporal sense using force to enforce its wishes by always invoking the power of the Emperors (East and West).
Thus he clearly glosses over the trouble that particularly St.John Chrysostom had and the persecution under Julian the Apostate. At Chalcedon the problem was how the Divine and Human natures could be found in Christ. Nestorius took up a position which the Pope and the Western Church found unacceptable. The Coptic wing accepted Nestorius and the existing Coptic church which owed its origin in liturgy to the Syriac tradition. It should be pointed out that the liturgies employed by the Western, the (what became the orthodox) and the Syriac were different but all had the essentials for a true Mass. McC also said that Chalcedon marks the beginning of the Orthodox Church as independant of Rome. I think this was later. What was interesting was to learn that in 7th century, Christianity had spread to China but was virtually extinct owing to persecution by the 9th or 10th centuries and one had to wait to the 16th cent. for its re introduction. More on this tomorrow,
Note. Thank you again for your comments encouraging me to stay blogging. I am beginning to think that with all the encouragement I may well continue, but not so acerbic. Any way I go on this week to build up the readership again and even leave a couple of posts for the time when I am away by means of advance pre pared postings.
Saturday, 7 November 2009
Special Message issued Saturday pm
Special Message You will be glad to hear that I will be sending posts for the next few days although I have not decided finally whether to continue or to go to a private invitation blog or simply give up. As I go off for a week on Friday I can make up my mind then.
The Apology will be provisionally taken off on Tuesday and this has been accepted. I have no comments anyway on this weeks press news but tomorrow I would like to deal at length with the views of Dr McCullough as expressed in his TV programme and his writing in the BBC History Journal which I take. I do not doubt his ability as an historian but what I do not like is his take on events which leads him to blame Catholics for nearly everything, and today for not being up to date enough to change things.
Humour. To show I have not lost my touch, here are a couple of my terrible jokes.
Two men waiting for a train at Ascot Station in the rush hour.
lst Man Do you miss the 7.15 to Waterloo now that it has been taken off ?
2nd Man Not as much as I did when it was running.
Why did the chicken not cross the road ?
Because that would have been a fowl proceeding.
(Possible cartoon) Business man (like Alex in Torygraph) sits in the bar at the top of Canary Wharf having a drink with a lady friend. The Mobile phone is being answered by this man
His wife is calling him and he replies. "Sorry I cant talk now, I'm in the middle of a high level meeting."
Two men in a train. lst man opens the window.
2nd Man, closes it at once, lst man re-opens it.
lst Man "What do you think you are playing at ?
2nd Man "Draughts".
The Apology will be provisionally taken off on Tuesday and this has been accepted. I have no comments anyway on this weeks press news but tomorrow I would like to deal at length with the views of Dr McCullough as expressed in his TV programme and his writing in the BBC History Journal which I take. I do not doubt his ability as an historian but what I do not like is his take on events which leads him to blame Catholics for nearly everything, and today for not being up to date enough to change things.
Humour. To show I have not lost my touch, here are a couple of my terrible jokes.
Two men waiting for a train at Ascot Station in the rush hour.
lst Man Do you miss the 7.15 to Waterloo now that it has been taken off ?
2nd Man Not as much as I did when it was running.
Why did the chicken not cross the road ?
Because that would have been a fowl proceeding.
(Possible cartoon) Business man (like Alex in Torygraph) sits in the bar at the top of Canary Wharf having a drink with a lady friend. The Mobile phone is being answered by this man
His wife is calling him and he replies. "Sorry I cant talk now, I'm in the middle of a high level meeting."
Two men in a train. lst man opens the window.
2nd Man, closes it at once, lst man re-opens it.
lst Man "What do you think you are playing at ?
2nd Man "Draughts".
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